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作者:古希腊-柏拉图Plato 当前章节:15403 字 更新时间:2026-6-23 05:30

SOCRATES: In the first place, the letter rho appears to me to be the

general instrument expressing all motion (kinesis). But I have not yet

explained the meaning of this latter word, which is just iesis (going); for

the letter eta was not in use among the ancients, who only employed

epsilon; and the root is kiein, which is a foreign form, the same as ienai.

And the old word kinesis will be correctly given as iesis in corresponding

modern letters. Assuming this foreign root kiein, and allowing for the

change of the eta and the insertion of the nu, we have kinesis, which

should have been kieinsis or eisis; and stasis is the negative of ienai (or

eisis), and has been improved into stasis. Now the letter rho, as I was

saying, appeared to the imposer of names an excellent instrument for the

expression of motion; and he frequently uses the letter for this purpose:

for example, in the actual words rein and roe he represents motion by rho;

also in the words tromos (trembling), trachus (rugged); and again, in words

such as krouein (strike), thrauein (crush), ereikein (bruise), thruptein

(break), kermatixein (crumble), rumbein (whirl): of all these sorts of

movements he generally finds an expression in the letter R, because, as I

imagine, he had observed that the tongue was most agitated and least at

rest in the pronunciation of this letter, which he therefore used in order

to express motion, just as by the letter iota he expresses the subtle

elements which pass through all things. This is why he uses the letter

iota as imitative of motion, ienai, iesthai. And there is another class of

letters, phi, psi, sigma, and xi, of which the pronunciation is accompanied

by great expenditure of breath; these are used in the imitation of such

notions as psuchron (shivering), xeon (seething), seiesthai, (to be

shaken), seismos (shock), and are always introduced by the giver of names

when he wants to imitate what is phusodes (windy). He seems to have

thought that the closing and pressure of the tongue in the utterance of

delta and tau was expressive of binding and rest in a place: he further

observed the liquid movement of lambda, in the pronunciation of which the

tongue slips, and in this he found the expression of smoothness, as in

leios (level), and in the word oliothanein (to slip) itself, liparon

(sleek), in the word kollodes (gluey), and the like: the heavier sound of

gamma detained the slipping tongue, and the union of the two gave the

notion of a glutinous clammy nature, as in glischros, glukus, gloiodes.

The nu he observed to be sounded from within, and therefore to have a

notion of inwardness; hence he introduced the sound in endos and entos:

alpha he assigned to the expression of size, and nu of length, because they

are great letters: omicron was the sign of roundness, and therefore there

is plenty of omicron mixed up in the word goggulon (round). Thus did the

legislator, reducing all things into letters and syllables, and impressing

on them names and signs, and out of them by imitation compounding other

signs. That is my view, Hermogenes, of the truth of names; but I should

like to hear what Cratylus has more to say.

HERMOGENES: But, Socrates, as I was telling you before, Cratylus mystifies

me; he says that there is a fitness of names, but he never explains what is

this fitness, so that I cannot tell whether his obscurity is intended or

not. Tell me now, Cratylus, here in the presence of Socrates, do you agree

in what Socrates has been saying about names, or have you something better

of your own? and if you have, tell me what your view is, and then you will

either learn of Socrates, or Socrates and I will learn of you.

CRATYLUS: Well, but surely, Hermogenes, you do not suppose that you can

learn, or I explain, any subject of importance all in a moment; at any

rate, not such a subject as language, which is, perhaps, the very greatest

of all.

HERMOGENES: No, indeed; but, as Hesiod says, and I agree with him, 'to add

little to little' is worth while. And, therefore, if you think that you

can add anything at all, however small, to our knowledge, take a little

trouble and oblige Socrates, and me too, who certainly have a claim upon

you.

SOCRATES: I am by no means positive, Cratylus, in the view which

Hermogenes and myself have worked out; and therefore do not hesitate to say

what you think, which if it be better than my own view I shall gladly

accept. And I should not be at all surprized to find that you have found

some better notion. For you have evidently reflected on these matters and

have had teachers, and if you have really a better theory of the truth of

names, you may count me in the number of your disciples.

CRATYLUS: You are right, Socrates, in saying that I have made a study of

these matters, and I might possibly convert you into a disciple. But I

fear that the opposite is more probable, and I already find myself moved to

say to you what Achilles in the 'Prayers' says to Ajax,--

'Illustrious Ajax, son of Telamon, lord of the people,

You appear to have spoken in all things much to my mind.'

And you, Socrates, appear to me to be an oracle, and to give answers much

to my mind, whether you are inspired by Euthyphro, or whether some Muse may

have long been an inhabitant of your breast, unconsciously to yourself.

SOCRATES: Excellent Cratylus, I have long been wondering at my own wisdom;

I cannot trust myself. And I think that I ought to stop and ask myself

What am I saying? for there is nothing worse than self-deception--when the

deceiver is always at home and always with you--it is quite terrible, and

therefore I ought often to retrace my steps and endeavour to 'look fore and

aft,' in the words of the aforesaid Homer. And now let me see; where are

we? Have we not been saying that the correct name indicates the nature of

the thing:--has this proposition been sufficiently proven?

CRATYLUS: Yes, Socrates, what you say, as I am disposed to think, is quite

true.

SOCRATES: Names, then, are given in order to instruct?

CRATYLUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: And naming is an art, and has artificers?

CRATYLUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And who are they?

CRATYLUS: The legislators, of whom you spoke at first.

SOCRATES: And does this art grow up among men like other arts? Let me

explain what I mean: of painters, some are better and some worse?

CRATYLUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: The better painters execute their works, I mean their figures,

better, and the worse execute them worse; and of builders also, the better

sort build fairer houses, and the worse build them worse.

CRATYLUS: True.

SOCRATES: And among legislators, there are some who do their work better

and some worse?

CRATYLUS: No; there I do not agree with you.

SOCRATES: Then you do not think that some laws are better and others

worse?

CRATYLUS: No, indeed.

SOCRATES: Or that one name is better than another?

CRATYLUS: Certainly not.

SOCRATES: Then all names are rightly imposed?

CRATYLUS: Yes, if they are names at all.

SOCRATES: Well, what do you say to the name of our friend Hermogenes,

which was mentioned before:--assuming that he has nothing of the nature of

Hermes in him, shall we say that this is a wrong name, or not his name at

all?

CRATYLUS: I should reply that Hermogenes is not his name at all, but only

appears to be his, and is really the name of somebody else, who has the

nature which corresponds to it.

SOCRATES: And if a man were to call him Hermogenes, would he not be even

speaking falsely? For there may be a doubt whether you can call him

Hermogenes, if he is not.

CRATYLUS: What do you mean?

SOCRATES: Are you maintaining that falsehood is impossible? For if this

is your meaning I should answer, that there have been plenty of liars in

all ages.

CRATYLUS: Why, Socrates, how can a man say that which is not?--say

something and yet say nothing? For is not falsehood saying the thing which

is not?

SOCRATES: Your argument, friend, is too subtle for a man of my age. But I

should like to know whether you are one of those philosophers who think

that falsehood may be spoken but not said?

CRATYLUS: Neither spoken nor said.

SOCRATES: Nor uttered nor addressed? For example: If a person, saluting

you in a foreign country, were to take your hand and say: 'Hail, Athenian

stranger, Hermogenes, son of Smicrion'--these words, whether spoken, said,

uttered, or addressed, would have no application to you but only to our

friend Hermogenes, or perhaps to nobody at all?

CRATYLUS: In my opinion, Socrates, the speaker would only be talking

nonsense.

SOCRATES: Well, but that will be quite enough for me, if you will tell me

whether the nonsense would be true or false, or partly true and partly

false:--which is all that I want to know.

CRATYLUS: I should say that he would be putting himself in motion to no

purpose; and that his words would be an unmeaning sound like the noise of

hammering at a brazen pot.

SOCRATES: But let us see, Cratylus, whether we cannot find a meeting-

point, for you would admit that the name is not the same with the thing

named?

CRATYLUS: I should.

SOCRATES: And would you further acknowledge that the name is an imitation

of the thing?

CRATYLUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: And you would say that pictures are also imitations of things,

but in another way?

CRATYLUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: I believe you may be right, but I do not rightly understand you.

Please to say, then, whether both sorts of imitation (I mean both pictures

or words) are not equally attributable and applicable to the things of

which they are the imitation.

CRATYLUS: They are.

SOCRATES: First look at the matter thus: you may attribute the likeness

of the man to the man, and of the woman to the woman; and so on?

CRATYLUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: And conversely you may attribute the likeness of the man to the

woman, and of the woman to the man?

CRATYLUS: Very true.

SOCRATES: And are both modes of assigning them right, or only the first?

CRATYLUS: Only the first.

SOCRATES: That is to say, the mode of assignment which attributes to each

that which belongs to them and is like them?

CRATYLUS: That is my view.

SOCRATES: Now then, as I am desirous that we being friends should have a

good understanding about the argument, let me state my view to you: the

first mode of assignment, whether applied to figures or to names, I call

right, and when applied to names only, true as well as right; and the other

mode of giving and assigning the name which is unlike, I call wrong, and in

the case of names, false as well as wrong.

CRATYLUS: That may be true, Socrates, in the case of pictures; they may be

wrongly assigned; but not in the case of names--they must be always right.

SOCRATES: Why, what is the difference? May I not go to a man and say to

him, 'This is your picture,' showing him his own likeness, or perhaps the

likeness of a woman; and when I say 'show,' I mean bring before the sense

of sight.

CRATYLUS: Certainly.

SOCRATES: And may I not go to him again, and say, 'This is your name'?--

for the name, like the picture, is an imitation. May I not say to him--

'This is your name'? and may I not then bring to his sense of hearing the

imitation of himself, when I say, 'This is a man'; or of a female of the

human species, when I say, 'This is a woman,' as the case may be? Is not

all that quite possible?

CRATYLUS: I would fain agree with you, Socrates; and therefore I say,

Granted.

SOCRATES: That is very good of you, if I am right, which need hardly be

disputed at present. But if I can assign names as well as pictures to

objects, the right assignment of them we may call truth, and the wrong

assignment of them falsehood. Now if there be such a wrong assignment of

names, there may also be a wrong or inappropriate assignment of verbs; and

if of names and verbs then of the sentences, which are made up of them.

What do you say, Cratylus?

CRATYLUS: I agree; and think that what you say is very true.

SOCRATES: And further, primitive nouns may be compared to pictures, and in

pictures you may either give all the appropriate colours and figures, or

you may not give them all--some may be wanting; or there may be too many or

too much of them--may there not?

CRATYLUS: Very true.

SOCRATES: And he who gives all gives a perfect picture or figure; and he

who takes away or adds also gives a picture or figure, but not a good one.

CRATYLUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: In like manner, he who by syllables and letters imitates the

nature of things, if he gives all that is appropriate will produce a good

image, or in other words a name; but if he subtracts or perhaps adds a

little, he will make an image but not a good one; whence I infer that some

names are well and others ill made.

CRATYLUS: That is true.

SOCRATES: Then the artist of names may be sometimes good, or he may be

bad?

CRATYLUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: And this artist of names is called the legislator?

CRATYLUS: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then like other artists the legislator may be good or he may be

bad; it must surely be so if our former admissions hold good?

CRATYLUS: Very true, Socrates; but the case of language, you see, is

different; for when by the help of grammar we assign the letters alpha or

beta, or any other letters to a certain name, then, if we add, or subtract,

or misplace a letter, the name which is written is not only written

wrongly, but not written at all; and in any of these cases becomes other

than a name.

SOCRATES: But I doubt whether your view is altogether correct, Cratylus.

CRATYLUS: How so?

SOCRATES: I believe that what you say may be true about numbers, which

must be just what they are, or not be at all; for example, the number ten

at once becomes other than ten if a unit be added or subtracted, and so of

any other number: but this does not apply to that which is qualitative or

to anything which is represented under an image. I should say rather that

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