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Xerxes. You should consider how inferior we are to them both in the

derivation of our birth and in other particulars. Did you never observe

how great is the property of the Spartan kings? And their wives are under

the guardianship of the Ephori, who are public officers and watch over

them, in order to preserve as far as possible the purity of the Heracleid

blood. Still greater is the difference among the Persians; for no one

entertains a suspicion that the father of a prince of Persia can be any one

but the king. Such is the awe which invests the person of the queen, that

any other guard is needless. And when the heir of the kingdom is born, all

the subjects of the king feast; and the day of his birth is for ever

afterwards kept as a holiday and time of sacrifice by all Asia; whereas,

when you and I were born, Alcibiades, as the comic poet says, the

neighbours hardly knew of the important event. After the birth of the

royal child, he is tended, not by a good-for-nothing woman-nurse, but by

the best of the royal eunuchs, who are charged with the care of him, and

especially with the fashioning and right formation of his limbs, in order

that he may be as shapely as possible; which being their calling, they are

held in great honour. And when the young prince is seven years old he is

put upon a horse and taken to the riding-masters, and begins to go out

hunting. And at fourteen years of age he is handed over to the royal

schoolmasters, as they are termed: these are four chosen men, reputed to

be the best among the Persians of a certain age; and one of them is the

wisest, another the justest, a third the most temperate, and a fourth the

most valiant. The first instructs him in the magianism of Zoroaster, the

son of Oromasus, which is the worship of the Gods, and teaches him also the

duties of his royal office; the second, who is the justest, teaches him

always to speak the truth; the third, or most temperate, forbids him to

allow any pleasure to be lord over him, that he may be accustomed to be a

freeman and king indeed,--lord of himself first, and not a slave; the most

valiant trains him to be bold and fearless, telling him that if he fears he

is to deem himself a slave; whereas Pericles gave you, Alcibiades, for a

tutor Zopyrus the Thracian, a slave of his who was past all other work. I

might enlarge on the nurture and education of your rivals, but that would

be tedious; and what I have said is a sufficient sample of what remains to

be said. I have only to remark, by way of contrast, that no one cares

about your birth or nurture or education, or, I may say, about that of any

other Athenian, unless he has a lover who looks after him. And if you cast

an eye on the wealth, the luxury, the garments with their flowing trains,

the anointings with myrrh, the multitudes of attendants, and all the other

bravery of the Persians, you will be ashamed when you discern your own

inferiority; or if you look at the temperance and orderliness and ease and

grace and magnanimity and courage and endurance and love of toil and desire

of glory and ambition of the Lacedaemonians--in all these respects you will

see that you are but a child in comparison of them. Even in the matter of

wealth, if you value yourself upon that, I must reveal to you how you

stand; for if you form an estimate of the wealth of the Lacedaemonians, you

will see that our possessions fall far short of theirs. For no one here

can compete with them either in the extent and fertility of their own and

the Messenian territory, or in the number of their slaves, and especially

of the Helots, or of their horses, or of the animals which feed on the

Messenian pastures. But I have said enough of this: and as to gold and

silver, there is more of them in Lacedaemon than in all the rest of Hellas,

for during many generations gold has been always flowing in to them from

the whole Hellenic world, and often from the barbarian also, and never

going out, as in the fable of Aesop the fox said to the lion, 'The prints

of the feet of those going in are distinct enough;' but who ever saw the

trace of money going out of Lacedaemon? And therefore you may safely infer

that the inhabitants are the richest of the Hellenes in gold and silver,

and that their kings are the richest of them, for they have a larger share

of these things, and they have also a tribute paid to them which is very

considerable. Yet the Spartan wealth, though great in comparison of the

wealth of the other Hellenes, is as nothing in comparison of that of the

Persians and their kings. Why, I have been informed by a credible person

who went up to the king (at Susa), that he passed through a large tract of

excellent land, extending for nearly a day's journey, which the people of

the country called the queen's girdle, and another, which they called her

veil; and several other fair and fertile districts, which were reserved for

the adornment of the queen, and are named after her several habiliments.

Now, I cannot help thinking to myself, What if some one were to go to

Amestris, the wife of Xerxes and mother of Artaxerxes, and say to her,

There is a certain Dinomache, whose whole wardrobe is not worth fifty

minae--and that will be more than the value--and she has a son who is

possessed of a three-hundred acre patch at Erchiae, and he has a mind to go

to war with your son--would she not wonder to what this Alcibiades trusts

for success in the conflict? 'He must rely,' she would say to herself,

'upon his training and wisdom--these are the things which Hellenes value.'

And if she heard that this Alcibiades who is making the attempt is not as

yet twenty years old, and is wholly uneducated, and when his lover tells

him that he ought to get education and training first, and then go and

fight the king, he refuses, and says that he is well enough as he is, would

she not be amazed, and ask 'On what, then, does the youth rely?' And if we

replied: He relies on his beauty, and stature, and birth, and mental

endowments, she would think that we were mad, Alcibiades, when she compared

the advantages which you possess with those of her own people. And I

believe that even Lampido, the daughter of Leotychides, the wife of

Archidamus and mother of Agis, all of whom were kings, would have the same

feeling; if, in your present uneducated state, you were to turn your

thoughts against her son, she too would be equally astonished. But how

disgraceful, that we should not have as high a notion of what is required

in us as our enemies' wives and mothers have of the qualities which are

required in their assailants! O my friend, be persuaded by me, and hear

the Delphian inscription, 'Know thyself'--not the men whom you think, but

these kings are our rivals, and we can only overcome them by pains and

skill. And if you fail in the required qualities, you will fail also in

becoming renowned among Hellenes and Barbarians, which you seem to desire

more than any other man ever desired anything.

ALCIBIADES: I entirely believe you; but what are the sort of pains which

are required, Socrates,--can you tell me?

SOCRATES: Yes, I can; but we must take counsel together concerning the

manner in which both of us may be most improved. For what I am telling you

of the necessity of education applies to myself as well as to you; and

there is only one point in which I have an advantage over you.

ALCIBIADES: What is that?

SOCRATES: I have a guardian who is better and wiser than your guardian,

Pericles.

ALCIBIADES: Who is he, Socrates?

SOCRATES: God, Alcibiades, who up to this day has not allowed me to

converse with you; and he inspires in me the faith that I am especially

designed to bring you to honour.

ALCIBIADES: You are jesting, Socrates.

SOCRATES: Perhaps, at any rate, I am right in saying that all men greatly

need pains and care, and you and I above all men.

ALCIBIADES: You are not far wrong about me.

SOCRATES: And certainly not about myself.

ALCIBIADES: But what can we do?

SOCRATES: There must be no hesitation or cowardice, my friend.

ALCIBIADES: That would not become us, Socrates.

SOCRATES: No, indeed, and we ought to take counsel together: for do we

not wish to be as good as possible?

ALCIBIADES: We do.

SOCRATES: In what sort of virtue?

ALCIBIADES: Plainly, in the virtue of good men.

SOCRATES: Who are good in what?

ALCIBIADES: Those, clearly, who are good in the management of affairs.

SOCRATES: What sort of affairs? Equestrian affairs?

ALCIBIADES: Certainly not.

SOCRATES: You mean that about them we should have recourse to horsemen?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Well, naval affairs?

ALCIBIADES: No.

SOCRATES: You mean that we should have recourse to sailors about them?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then what affairs? And who do them?

ALCIBIADES: The affairs which occupy Athenian gentlemen.

SOCRATES: And when you speak of gentlemen, do you mean the wise or the

unwise?

ALCIBIADES: The wise.

SOCRATES: And a man is good in respect of that in which he is wise?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: And evil in respect of that in which he is unwise?

ALCIBIADES: Certainly.

SOCRATES: The shoemaker, for example, is wise in respect of the making of

shoes?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then he is good in that?

ALCIBIADES: He is.

SOCRATES: But in respect of the making of garments he is unwise?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then in that he is bad?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then upon this view of the matter the same man is good and also

bad?

ALCIBIADES: True.

SOCRATES: But would you say that the good are the same as the bad?

ALCIBIADES: Certainly not.

SOCRATES: Then whom do you call the good?

ALCIBIADES: I mean by the good those who are able to rule in the city.

SOCRATES: Not, surely, over horses?

ALCIBIADES: Certainly not.

SOCRATES: But over men?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: When they are sick?

ALCIBIADES: No.

SOCRATES: Or on a voyage?

ALCIBIADES: No.

SOCRATES: Or reaping the harvest?

ALCIBIADES: No.

SOCRATES: When they are doing something or nothing?

ALCIBIADES: When they are doing something, I should say.

SOCRATES: I wish that you would explain to me what this something is.

ALCIBIADES: When they are having dealings with one another, and using one

another's services, as we citizens do in our daily life.

SOCRATES: Those of whom you speak are ruling over men who are using the

services of other men?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Are they ruling over the signal-men who give the time to the

rowers?

ALCIBIADES: No; they are not.

SOCRATES: That would be the office of the pilot?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: But, perhaps you mean that they rule over flute-players, who

lead the singers and use the services of the dancers?

ALCIBIADES: Certainly not.

SOCRATES: That would be the business of the teacher of the chorus?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Then what is the meaning of being able to rule over men who use

other men?

ALCIBIADES: I mean that they rule over men who have common rights of

citizenship, and dealings with one another.

SOCRATES: And what sort of an art is this? Suppose that I ask you again,

as I did just now, What art makes men know how to rule over their fellow-

sailors,--how would you answer?

ALCIBIADES: The art of the pilot.

SOCRATES: And, if I may recur to another old instance, what art enables

them to rule over their fellow-singers?

ALCIBIADES: The art of the teacher of the chorus, which you were just now

mentioning.

SOCRATES: And what do you call the art of fellow-citizens?

ALCIBIADES: I should say, good counsel, Socrates.

SOCRATES: And is the art of the pilot evil counsel?

ALCIBIADES: No.

SOCRATES: But good counsel?

ALCIBIADES: Yes, that is what I should say,--good counsel, of which the

aim is the preservation of the voyagers.

SOCRATES: True. And what is the aim of that other good counsel of which

you speak?

ALCIBIADES: The aim is the better order and preservation of the city.

SOCRATES: And what is that of which the absence or presence improves and

preserves the order of the city? Suppose you were to ask me, what is that

of which the presence or absence improves or preserves the order of the

body? I should reply, the presence of health and the absence of disease.

You would say the same?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: And if you were to ask me the same question about the eyes, I

should reply in the same way, 'the presence of sight and the absence of

blindness;' or about the ears, I should reply, that they were improved and

were in better case, when deafness was absent, and hearing was present in

them.

ALCIBIADES: True.

SOCRATES: And what would you say of a state? What is that by the presence

or absence of which the state is improved and better managed and ordered?

ALCIBIADES: I should say, Socrates:--the presence of friendship and the

absence of hatred and division.

SOCRATES: And do you mean by friendship agreement or disagreement?

ALCIBIADES: Agreement.

SOCRATES: What art makes cities agree about numbers?

ALCIBIADES: Arithmetic.

SOCRATES: And private individuals?

ALCIBIADES: The same.

SOCRATES: And what art makes each individual agree with himself?

ALCIBIADES: The same.

SOCRATES: And what art makes each of us agree with himself about the

comparative length of the span and of the cubit? Does not the art of

measure?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: Individuals are agreed with one another about this; and states,

equally?

ALCIBIADES: Yes.

SOCRATES: And the same holds of the balance?

ALCIBIADES: True.

SOCRATES: But what is the other agreement of which you speak, and about

what? what art can give that agreement? And does that which gives it to

the state give it also to the individual, so as to make him consistent with

himself and with another?

ALCIBIADES: I should suppose so.

SOCRATES: But what is the nature of the agreement?--answer, and faint not.

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